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Mangiafuoco Italian garden restaurant

Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:58 AM (#1) User is offline   Always David 

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We've eaten twice at this new restaurant on Revolucion, just past Rollie's, and the food, atmosphere and owners are all absolutely wonderful. The owners are Italian and make a lot of their own pasta (pasta fresca) and it's incredibly good. The sauces are rich and flavourful without being overpowering. The portions are a bit small but that's good because it leaves room for the incredible tiramisu (probably the best I've ever had). Really really good food, wonderful atmosphere, great hosts. Highly recommended!
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Posted 09 May 2008 - 11:50 AM (#2) Jason

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I've eaten here twice as well, and after a couple of mediocre experiences during 2 days that they were closed, I don't think I will eat anywhere else for the rest of my stay!
I've eaten a lot of Italian food in my life, and also own a small restaurant further down the coast of Jalisco. This place really does offer some of the best food you will eat outside Italy - I promise you won't be disappointed!


View PostSometimesDavid/SometimesMiguel, on Feb 3 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

We've eaten twice at this new restaurant on Revolucion, just past Rollie's, and the food, atmosphere and owners are all absolutely wonderful. The owners are Italian and make a lot of their own pasta (pasta fresca) and it's incredibly good. The sauces are rich and flavourful without being overpowering. The portions are a bit small but that's good because it leaves room for the incredible tiramisu (probably the best I've ever had). Really really good food, wonderful atmosphere, great hosts. Highly recommended!

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Posted 09 May 2008 - 01:57 PM (#3) User is offline   Concerned Joe 

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View PostJason, on May 9 2008, 11:50 AM, said:

I've eaten here twice as well, and after a couple of mediocre experiences during 2 days that they were closed, I don't think I will eat anywhere else for the rest of my stay!
I've eaten a lot of Italian food in my life, and also own a small restaurant further down the coast of Jalisco. This place really does offer some of the best food you will eat outside Italy - I promise you won't be disappointed!


I hope the service has improved and the terrible, over-amplified, live music has disappeared. I rarely complain about service. After all, this is Mexico and in addition, dinner is our main source of entertainment. The night that I was there with a party of five, there were only four or five other diners. Although the hostess was very charming, she was not very professional. It also looks like the kitchen is severely understaffed. (read: no help), so that the chef was doing all the prep work. As for the food, I don't know how familiar the people who rave about it are with Italian food. It was okay. Not, in my opinion deserving of such accolades. As for the ambiance, before they opened, there was a typical small kitchen Mexican place there that seemed to mostly serve the residents of the neighborhood. I didn't notice much change from the funky, backyard feeling of before. Our entrees took about an hour or more, with individual servings arriving at different times. Finally, considering the location and distinct LACK of ambience, they are charging top dollar for Sayulita. As I said, I rarely complain about service--or food for that matter--I'm writing because my experience was so different from the previous commentators.
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Posted 10 May 2008 - 12:06 PM (#4) Jason

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I guess you weren't the only one who had bad experiences at that time because the things you described certainly aren't there now! (I encountered nice ambient non-live background music, friendly and professional staff, and no long waits for food)
I presume also that the quality of the food has improved since then. I've travelled extensively in Italy over the last 10 years, and this season opened my own Italian restaurant about 4 hours down the coast of Jalisco, which has quickly gained a reputation as the best local restaurant, so I feel fairly confident in my judgement. (For this reason I find it very difficult to find good places to eat Italian food outside of Italy much less take the time to recommend them on a forum.)

I suggest you give them another chance Jo - I think you will be pleasantly surprised! :)

Also note that it is very rare for a kitchen to be so 'exposed' and really shows the sign of a confident chef. No pre-preped sauces or microwaves to be seen!

View PostConcerned Joe, on May 9 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

I hope the service has improved and the terrible, over-amplified, live music has disappeared. I rarely complain about service. After all, this is Mexico and in addition, dinner is our main source of entertainment. The night that I was there with a party of five, there were only four or five other diners. Although the hostess was very charming, she was not very professional. It also looks like the kitchen is severely understaffed. (read: no help), so that the chef was doing all the prep work. As for the food, I don't know how familiar the people who rave about it are with Italian food. It was okay. Not, in my opinion deserving of such accolades. As for the ambiance, before they opened, there was a typical small kitchen Mexican place there that seemed to mostly serve the residents of the neighborhood. I didn't notice much change from the funky, backyard feeling of before. Our entrees took about an hour or more, with individual servings arriving at different times. Finally, considering the location and distinct LACK of ambience, they are charging top dollar for Sayulita. As I said, I rarely complain about service--or food for that matter--I'm writing because my experience was so different from the previous commentators.

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Posted 10 May 2008 - 02:21 PM (#5) User is offline   Concerned Joe 

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Hi Jason--I'm glad that things seem to have improved. I'm certainly interested in seeing new restaurants open and thrive. The feeling I got when I was there was that the owners had kind of serendipitously decided: Hey, this is a great place. Let's open a restaurant! As a restaurant owner, you are certainly aware that there is much more to it than knowing how to cook and offering great food. The same could be said for any business. I grew up in the New York area and now live in Foodie Central, the Bay Area. I am not a foodie myself, but can appreciate good food when I have it. I stand by my skepticism when I hear this place being described as having the "best Italian food outside of Italy". I don't think such hype does the place justice, as it raises expectations too high. As for the music, I have noticed a disturbing trend in local restaurants to push life musicians, no matter how amateurish and annoying they are, in order to attract business. The effect has been the opposite. Dinner music should be just that, something to add to the atmosphere, not dominate it. All that said, I sincerely hope that they learn from their mistakes and make a go of it.
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Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:34 PM (#6) User is offline   Always David 

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As Jason said, the music is no longer live or intrusive. You're absolutely right about some local restaurants bringing in truly awful live music, which can ruin anyone's meal. As for seeing the location and saying "hey, let's open a restaurant!" I think you do Luca and Sasa a disservice. They, together, owned and operated a very successful Italian restaurant in Playa del Carmen for 15 years before moving to Sayulita last October, so I do think they know what they're doing. Give it another try, Joe, go with an open mind, and I really hope you enjoy yourself and your meal more than you did before. And if not, let them know what the problem was and I'm sure they'll do their best to make it better the next time.
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Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:01 PM (#7) User is offline   Concerned Joe 

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I'm glad about the music, and we will give it another try. As for my take on what was going on that night, that is what it seemed like. The other four people in my party--all permanent Sayulita residents and patrons of every restaurant in town--felt the same way. And please don't get me wrong about the atmosphere. I grew up in a Sicilian neighborhood and nothing makes me happier than to be welcomed to a restaurant by Italians; ESPECIALLY in little Sayulita. I just feel that if you are going to charge top dollar, you need to provide a little more than just good food and intentions. Speaking of bad music, what's up with that wacky band playing at Don Pedro's. It's a nightmarish blend of Klezmer, Ska and who knows what the hell else. Really bad. We haven't been to Don Pedro's at night since they started playing there.
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View PostConcerned Joe, on May 10 2008, 05:01 PM, said:

I'm glad about the music, and we will give it another try. As for my take on what was going on that night, that is what it seemed like. The other four people in my party--all permanent Sayulita residents and patrons of every restaurant in town--felt the same way. And please don't get me wrong about the atmosphere. I grew up in a Sicilian neighborhood and nothing makes me happier than to be welcomed to a restaurant by Italians; ESPECIALLY in little Sayulita. I just feel that if you are going to charge top dollar, you need to provide a little more than just good food and intentions. Speaking of bad music, what's up with that wacky band playing at Don Pedro's. It's a nightmarish blend of Klezmer, Ska and who knows what the hell else. Really bad. We haven't been to Don Pedro's at night since they started playing there.



Joe, FYI the Shiflana band, the one you despise so much is not playing at Don Pedroīs anymore. In fact in the past couple of months they played less than a handfull of gigs. They only played on Wednesday nights and they had a small but loyal following(mostly older folks that have homes here). Granted everyone has different tastes in music and I think variety is a good thing in such a small town. Don Pedrosīs also has an excellent Cuban Salsa band(seven or eight piece with brass) every Monday night. People come from as far as Puerto Vallarta to enjoy the ambiance. Latcho and Andrea, a flamenco guitar duet, play every Thursday night are excellent as well and are very popular in the north coast area. I just donīt think you should generalize off one subjective experience and try to attach a negative label to an establishment such as Don Pedroīs. FYI, Don Pedroīs has been in operation for fourteen seasons, yet you wonīt return because you didnīt like a band that played there one night and your continue to reinforce your negative impressions to other people in the hopes of damaging their reputaion. Gimme a break. Relax man.
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:41 PM (#9) User is offline   Concerned Joe 

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I guess I should have said a little more. I am well aware that there are other bands playing at Don Pedro's and in fact have been patronizing the place regularly for 6 years. There have been times when we have eaten there every day for a week. I love the place and recommend it to everybody I know who is planning a vacation to Sayulita. It was just a coincidence that three times in a row when we went there, that band was playing. I am glad my message got across because management should know when loyal customers are being turned off by annoying music. Frankly, I really regretted when the house music--I understand created by the owner--was the only music. The mixes were great and I and others miss them. I will continue to patronize what I consider to be the best restaurant in Sayulita and I am sorry that I didn't express that clearly.
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Posted 13 May 2008 - 11:07 AM (#10) Jason

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Hi Joe,

Your misquote amused me - you don't work in jornalism or the legal profession by any chance? ;)
What I actually said was "some of the best food you will eat outside Italy". Which of course offers space to the many restaurants around the world that also offer excellent italian cuisine. I travel extensively, eat well whenever possible, and I would be pushed to name more than 5-10 places where the quality of the food is better than 'Mangiafuoco'. I introduced myself to the owners the other night, we 'talked shop' and I came away even more convinced! The high cost of the food is because they really do use the best ingredients.

I agree good food and a friendly service aren't all you need to be the best place in town, but as I understand it these boys have really only just got started, on a shoestring budget, and to date, are relying exclusively on word-of-mouth to bring people through the door. It's a slow process, but I think they are at least doing it in the right order!

Curious to know how you get on when you return there! :)

Jason


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I'm glad about the music, and we will give it another try. As for my take on what was going on that night, that is what it seemed like. The other four people in my party--all permanent Sayulita residents and patrons of every restaurant in town--felt the same way. And please don't get me wrong about the atmosphere. I grew up in a Sicilian neighborhood and nothing makes me happier than to be welcomed to a restaurant by Italians; ESPECIALLY in little Sayulita. I just feel that if you are going to charge top dollar, you need to provide a little more than just good food and intentions. Speaking of bad music, what's up with that wacky band playing at Don Pedro's. It's a nightmarish blend of Klezmer, Ska and who knows what the hell else. Really bad. We haven't been to Don Pedro's at night since they started playing there.

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 10:59 AM (#11) john

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Recently had dinner at Mangiafuoco and it was just fine. However, one thing almost ruined it: the music - it was both loud and irritating. We asked the waitress twice to lower the volume, and she did, and each time, it was still too loud to carry on a table-side conversation. She should be aware that we came there for dinner, not to dance to rock music! Rock music is fine in a nightclub, but not while I'm trying to talk with friends over dinner. Given that normal conversation was not easy or even possible, we moved our table to one out in the garden, to the furthest table. The volume of the music was finally low enough to talk. Another couple, at a nearby table, also joined us for the same reason. They too found the music (both volume and style) to be irritating and moved out there with us. Great - we made some new friends and finally enjoyed our dinner. But the owners should be aware that we all came "this close" to getting up and leaving. Suggestion: get some CDs of dinner music, or soft jazz, and then turn it down so low you can barely hear it.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 09:15 PM (#12) User is offline   Wine Wahine 

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Great food! Fresh and tasty, but the service was non-existent. Our server seemed unimpressed and not happy to be working and the music was loud and depressing to say the least. Really too bad, since we will not return if the service doesn't improve.
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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:22 PM (#13) User is offline   lunaj 

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I would also like to add my feelings to the food and the music...the food is good, music is horrible, especially on Thursday nights, same music, same group, loud until the early morning hours, completely disrespectful to the community, and despite requests, continues with the same boring, loud venue week after week...and the music is really loud, seems to turn it up after midnight! I am really disgusted and do not frequent the restaurant, nor do I refer travelers to them. Enough said...
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